Gut Feeling or Overthinking? Spotting Intuition vs Anxiety

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In this episode, we dive into the concept of intuition, how to strengthen it, and differentiate it from anxiety. We often make decisions from places of fear, so we break down a protocol on how to start listening to your gut, the importance of trust, and the integration of emotions in daily life. This all a journey my friend! 

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Transcript

Renee (00:01)

Hey y'all, welcome back to Nosedive. Today we have a really good topic. This is a submission by one of my clients actually. And I just before we get into everything, one, just want to say thank you to everyone that tunes into this podcast. Like it's something that Mar and I really enjoy doing and hopefully it brings some

guidance and navigation through some tough and some fun and creative things. So thank you guys for listening and watching. Two, we are not licensed medical professionals in the mental space or the medical space. So all of the experiences that we talk about and the information that we provide is all really life-based, experience-based.

So just wanted to get that disclaimer in there. Yeah, don't come at us, please. Just let it lie. So yeah, this submission is also something that I have been working on, I would say, since I started removing alcohol and has really started coming up for me a lot and something that I've wanted to strengthen, and that is intuition.

Mara DeMauro (00:59)

Yeah, don't come at us.

Renee (01:21)

So what does that really mean? And just to, sorry, to go back, the submission is how do we strengthen intuition? So not only what is it, but how do we hone in on it as a practice? How do we listen to it? How do we use it in our lifestyle to guide us to what our purposes and what it is that we do on a day-to-day basis to kind of

bring our best foot forward. And then in addition to that, how do we differentiate between intuition and anxiety? Because if you're like me, I talk to myself a lot. When it comes to decision making, when it comes to just day to day, like, okay, what am I doing today? Like, I am like ping ponging all day, every day.

so yeah, that's what we're going to get into today. And hopefully you can take away some things I can start implementing like today. So, ⁓ yeah. So what's the, should we tackle this? So maybe like defining intuition, like how do we define intuition? What even is it?

Mara DeMauro (02:27)

today.

Yeah, I, I love this topic and it's so nuanced and I think it's different for, you know, it looks and can feel different for a lot of different people. So, you know, just kind of take what resonates and, allow the other information to kind of flow. ⁓ I've heard a couple of things that have been really helpful to me. One of them is that intuition is quiet.

And anxiety or fear is loud. Intuition is more of this subtle knowing and can show up as a statement, just a, you know, like a truth within you, a statement, and then anxiety or fear shows up as questions. And that has really, really like helped me.

in moments, you know, because it's really tuning into your body and knowing like, is my nervous system starting to amp the fuck up right now? You know, or am I actually calm and I'm breathing, you know, and it's, I think it's like, we know what is true for us. We just might be afraid to accept what is true for us in that moment.

You know, so I like there's so many things that start layering on top of this, not just like intuition, but fear and then trust. And what are those terms that are so ambiguous, ⁓ like mean for us? But I think a great place to start is noticing what happens in your body.

Renee (04:31)

Yeah, I mean, I think for me when I was like, what the fuck? When things are intangible and when there isn't a protocol necessarily with specific steps to understand, and maybe there is a little bit and that's what we're getting into, but I think in the beginning stages, when I started how this relates to, at least for alcohol for me, when I started

really removing it and reducing it to really understand what that quote unquote inner knowing is. Because I'm like, what the fuck does that like, what do you mean inner knowing? I would just do things because, you know, yes, it felt right to me. So that is kind of that maybe jump off point. Like, how does it feel in your body when you start making decisions and you touched on it? Is it easeful? Is it calm?

Mara DeMauro (05:04)

Mm-hmm.

Renee (05:27)

Is it more of a statement of that feels right in whatever part of your body? Because I think that could feel different for everyone. Or is it frantic? Are you like, shit, like, but this and then but then this person and then like that fight or flight sort of place and making that decision. So I think that is maybe one protocol.

that you can kind of implement is whatever the situation is, is the decision or the action that I'm about to take coming from a place of, yeah, that feels good. Or is it, ⁓ fuck. And I think too, there's like this very interesting part of this is they call it a gut feeling.

Mara DeMauro (06:04)

All

Yeah.

Renee (06:17)

And it isn't just words. There's actually some science behind that with the gut being your second brain. So when you get that gut feeling, it's for a reason. There is this biological thing that takes place when you're making these decisions that are more aligned or you're making it out of fear. So when we start to

remove or reduce the alcohol, again, as this just pertains to this kind of like pocket, we are allowed and give ourselves permission to really start understanding how our body reacts to certain situations when we are clear, which is something that's totally different. Because if you are drinking really heavily, you don't have that sense of

confidence or maybe clarity around the decisions that you're making, they are inhibited.

Mara DeMauro (07:23)

Mmm.

Yeah, it's funny. I feel like this is very timely. I was chatting with one of my mentors, shout out Ru, like just this morning listening to a voice note and he said something that really resonated, which is energy likes efficiency. And if we think of our bodies, I mean, as everything, as energy, there's

constant energy flowing through us. Or at least that is, you know, like the goal is to allow energy to flow through us as easeful as possible. And when we have blockages that inhibit us, for example, spirits, like booze as spirits, or even, I mean, it doesn't just have to be alcohol.

You know, but of course this podcast, we talk on that topic a lot. Um, cause that is a big one that a lot of people seem to, you know, they're like, Oh my gosh, you know, how do I navigate without this? Um, and so if you, if you think about it, our intuition is always with us. It's not so much, what do we have to do? It's what do we not have to do?

Renee (08:16)

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm so happy you touched upon that actually, because it's like, this goes back to just all of the books that I've been reading lately. Anything that has to do with the mind-body connection and really getting introspective is this is something that everybody has. Everybody has it. I don't care if you're like, I don't really like hear those things or I don't really feel those things.

Mara DeMauro (08:44)

You know?

Renee (09:10)

Everyone has this innate ability. It's just the fact that we are potentially doing things to numb those things and numb that intuition down. It is a practice. It is something that you have to intentionally tap into to understand what your intuition looks like to make those decisions. So it's not something that's just like, don't really have that.

It's just you have to practice to understand what yours individually looks like.

Mara DeMauro (09:42)

Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, just knowing that just like with everything, when you start to practice something new, maybe it feels a little awkward or you're like, I'm not used to this. to know that that's okay. That doesn't mean you should stop practicing. you know, as long as you're safe and like other people are safe, like, you know, cool. just allow yourself to explore in that realm. What's the worst thing that can happen?

You know, and I think most times and not, we're just afraid of being uncomfortable. And it's like, it's all right. You know, you just got to practice that muscle and you'll be okay. And, um, I think it would be fun to kind of share a couple of our own personal experiences of when we've used, you know, our intuition, when we're on that cusp of like, of consciousness of like, okay.

I know my gut and my intuition and what my heart wants, what my soul wants to do right now, but I can also still hear and see and feel the anxiety. So I feel like it would be helpful to share some of those personal stories. like listeners can kind of be like, yeah, I know what they're talking about now. ⁓

Renee (10:54)

Yeah, no,

totally, totally.

Mara DeMauro (10:57)

Yeah, do you want to share?

Renee (10:59)

Yes, I'll go first. Yeah, we were talking about this a little bit before we hopped on here. And one example that still really just sticks out to me was, you know, I was on this this work trip. It was my first time as a team lead for this particular supplier. And so I was meeting new people. I was meeting ⁓ the suppliers in a new kind of

realm and new territory. I've never been there, never met these people. I was also training for a powerlifting competition. I was still, I wouldn't say super new, but fairly... I haven't exercised at that point my confidence around socializing, not drinking. I'd done it a couple of times. I felt I was teeter tottering on that.

hadn't had a lot of real life experiences with it. Like I knew what to do, had the foundation, had the tools, but hadn't actually exercised those things. you know, we had a full day of meetings, which is exhausting, and it's just exhausting meeting new people in general. And so they take us out to dinner, felt really good. I was like, no, you know, I don't drink, didn't really have to explain myself that much. They kind of just like move past it because I had that power lifting.

edge to be like, oh, like I'm training for something, blah, blah, blah. And then they started asking me questions about that. Okay, cool. We went to this place and mind you, this place is terrible. Like I just have to throw in there. There's a restaurant that they took us to. was like, ugh, what the fuck? Like, ew. But anyways, so, so yeah, that wraps up. Everybody's drinking. Everybody's ordering shots too. I was like,

Where are we right now? This is the first time that you guys are meeting each other and you're ordering ordering shots of tequila. I shouldn't judge, but I was like, well, OK, this is like. But I'm judging, I know it was bad. I was like, and it's not I guess not so much judgment, but I guess maybe like shock that because I'm so like aware at this point of what's happening and the fact that this happens a lot a lot.

Mara DeMauro (12:56)

I shouldn't judge, but I'm judging!

Renee (13:14)

and more often than I probably realized, I was just like, whoa, I was just super aware and hyper aware. So they're ordering shots at dinner, everybody's drinking, time to wrap up, they get the bill. We walk outside and my specific team, not only on my side, but on the supplier side, they're all going to a bar.

Mara DeMauro (13:19)

Mm-hmm.

Renee (13:41)

And I had already made the decision, no, like I'm going back to my hotel room. I have to get up early tomorrow morning, hit the gym before like another full day of meetings. And they're like, oh no, come on, come on, stand firm. No, I'm, thank you so much. You know, so happy like meeting and da da da like, dude. This is where.

And I think it hit me, I think harder once I got back to my hotel room. But in that moment, it is it felt like this was my intuition kicking in. And this is how I knew because I stood so firm in the knowing that that's not something or not the area that I wanted to be in. I set out a goal for myself and I wanted

Mara DeMauro (14:29)

Mm-hmm.

Renee (14:34)

to stick to it. And they, I kid you not, were yelling at me from, and not in a negative way, not like aggressively. Well, I guess it was a little aggressive, but not like, hey, motherfucker. It was like, oh my God, come with us. Where are you going? Where are you going? Where, and wow, this is just like an aha moment too. The intuition of literally taking my body.

turning my back to them and walking back to my hotel room. So maybe my intuition did kind of take over there. Like it wasn't anything where I was like, no, no, like, I didn't explain myself. didn't. And right, I already had, was like, no, know, said my piece, but they were screaming at me from across the...

Mara DeMauro (15:14)

Yeah.

I mean, you already did.

Renee (15:29)

walkway to come and join them at the bar. And yeah, I guess maybe my intuition really did take over in that moment where I turned my body because that's not how I normally would be to turn my back physically and walk up to the to my room. And when I got up to my room, it was very that is when the anxiety kicked in where

Mara DeMauro (15:43)

Mm-hmm.

Renee (15:54)

I was like, my God, what did I just, and you're right, the questions. What did I just do? How are they gonna think of me now? They're gonna think that I'm not a team player or that I don't hang or that I'm lame. And I called you and was explaining the entire situation and you,

Mara DeMauro (16:11)

Mm-hmm.

Renee (16:18)

It was the reassurance that I needed of my own intuition, but it was like, I was like a baby deer, like coming into the world for the first time with my legs, like, but I still was able to walk. So it was like, you, reassured the fact that my intuition steered me in the right direction where it was like, no, this is something that you didn't want to do.

Mara DeMauro (16:30)

Yeah, yeah.

Renee (16:45)

you stayed true to yourself. You listened to yourself and did not let any of the outside noise or the fear or anxiety to dictate your decisions that would have been from a place of fear and people pleasing and not something that you ultimately wanted to do. I was like, and I called my husband also after that, and cause I was like crying, I was bawling.

and for all of about 10 minutes. And my husband was just like, those, they're not gonna necessarily respect you as much as maybe they will the day after. Because yeah, maybe you miss out on some like inside jokes or whatever it is, but you're in a leadership position. Why would you want to be in a position that makes you

Mara DeMauro (17:25)

Mm-hmm.

Renee (17:40)

Maybe in a position where they wouldn't necessarily respect you as much. Like you set that boundary as a team lead that maybe they'll respect you a little bit more. So it's like after those explanations, it's like, yeah. And then I kind of stopped crying. And then the next morning there were so many people hung over. Sure. There were stories. Yeah, of course. Like there are stories that happened and all that stuff, but I was happy that.

Mara DeMauro (17:45)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Renee (18:07)

I didn't feel like shit. So just have further reassurance.

Mara DeMauro (18:08)

Absolutely. Yeah.

And it's huge because I could think of, and I'm sure you could too, a million examples of when we haven't made the decision and acted upon our intuition, but rather went the other way. ⁓ and so when that is more so the norm and we're just, you know, putting our, our, you know, needs or.

Renee (18:29)

Yes.

Mara DeMauro (18:38)

whatever aside, when we do the opposite, it can feel a bit jarring and a bit scary. And so I think that's how sometimes there can be confusion of like, this intuition or is this anxiety? And it's like, you can always just come back to, what are your personal values? what action would actually match that value? When you're in those times of trying to deserve

Renee (18:53)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (19:05)

decipher what it is, you you're, you're actually trying to and want to do. and I think someone, I was talking to a friend about this the other day. The more you ruminate on what decision you want to make, the more foggy and unclear it becomes what your gut is. You know, that gut is like, boom, it's there. It's a statement. It's there. That's what it is.

but then when you start, but my gosh, da da da da da da da da da. Yeah, then you know, then you know, you're like, hold on, pump the brakes, pump the brakes. Like, it's okay.

Renee (19:32)

Yeah.

talking yourself into it. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, in

the place of like, often authenticity, it's like going back to who I am as a person. That's what I want to be like. That's who I am. That's, know, I want to get up the next morning and work out and, and do those things. So making that decision for me was a place that was fully me not going to the bar because somebody was like, Hey, let's go. And because

Mara DeMauro (20:07)

you.

Renee (20:09)

Heckling me. Yeah, that's the word. Thank you. was trying to, was like, what is that word? It's not like, it's not groupie, but what the fuck? Yeah, no, exactly. Exactly. ⁓ Yeah. And I think that's the other part too of like deciphering and how to hone in on what exactly your intuition sounds like is, is this coming? And this is a question I guess, but

Mara DeMauro (20:11)

Yeah.

Hey, come on!

It's good.

Mmm.

Renee (20:35)

you know, is this coming from a place of my own, not outside factors? Like, am I doing this because it's going to please someone else that's asking me, or is it really coming from a place of, from your values, like from you?

Mara DeMauro (20:52)

Yeah, totally. 100%. Yeah.

Renee (20:54)

But that's part of the journey too.

Yeah, yeah. What about you? You're like

a guidepost for me because it's like, I feel like you have really personified the type of person that I would like to be in terms of like understanding what your intuition is. So.

Mara DeMauro (21:17)

Thanks, I'm trying, you know, just out here trying to understand too. And I think.

Renee (21:19)

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (21:25)

think that's all it really requires, right? Is a want and a curiosity to understand. Like, you know, and if you can be soft in that space, like, we're just experimenting. Like, that's what this whole life is, right? Like, I can't, you know, everything I'm saying right now that we've been saying, that we continue to say, I'm like, that's what I know up to this point.

Renee (21:31)

Yeah.

and open to it.

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (21:50)

But maybe tomorrow I wake up and I have a totally different situation, a thought or whatever. and so that's why, like, you know, when we talk about all these different things, there's, it's like, we're all saying the same things, but we use different words and it's some words resonate with some people and some words resonate with others. And, you know, we talk about this a lot when it comes to like science stuff, you know, I'm like, I think science is super cool.

You know, like it doesn't really register in my brain though. Like when you start, when people start talking super scientifically, I'm like, don't really care. Like, like if it's like quote unquote science or not, I, I more so resonate with people's lived experiences. Like I trust that just as much, or maybe even more as I would like science.

Renee (22:18)

Hahaha

Who? Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (22:38)

quote unquote scientific data, because that is scientific data, people's lived experiences that are quantified and all this stuff. But however, someone else resonates more with the science, like the quote unquote science stuff. So it's like, just take what resonates for you and also be open. Because I am open to the science stuff, but it's really hard for me to understand it. But I'm interested to learn and hear.

Renee (23:05)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (23:07)

Anyway, a personal story, so without getting into too many details. So I was in communication with someone that I care lot about and have spent a lot of time with. And something happened.

where there was a deciding factor of...

kind of seeing the situation and understanding my wants and where their wants were. And knowing that it's okay if they are different, but I have to choose. I have to choose what's right for me. You know, I can no longer just be like, okay, it's okay. Like put myself on the back burner.

and drag myself along, you know, like that doesn't feel good, you know, so I had to make a decision to just kind of remove myself in a very quiet way and literally very quiet way. ⁓ And, you know, in the moment of there was, there was this pure knowing of just like,

Renee (24:17)

Hmm.

Mara DeMauro (24:30)

This is okay to do this. This is the right thing to do because it is the most easeful thing to do ⁓ It feels scary meet maybe even sad but There are times, you know, I could reflect in the past where I did the opposite which was going to grab to reach to grip That feels really resistant that feels like I'm fighting for something

Renee (24:39)

Hmm.

Mara DeMauro (24:57)

that there's nothing to fight for. So instead of gripping it was more of a release. days following that situation, the anxiety and the fear starts to question my inner knowing of like, but what if they think you're mad at them? Should you reach out? What if...

Renee (25:00)

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (25:23)

you know, you could say the right thing and then they'll understand. What if, you know, what if, what if, what if, what if, I'm like, okay, well, in those moments when I can feel my body starting to kind of like start to wind tight, I'm like, well, that is a good what if question. I start to speak to it directly because it's a part of me and I think it's important to

Renee (25:42)

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (25:53)

for us to talk about, know, we, intuition kind of feels more like this adult inner knowing, where fear and anxiety can feel more like parts of a younger child within me that's scared and doesn't trust and feels like I'm being abandoned or whatever it might be. And so just being able to identify the parts of me that are being activated.

at that moment and talking to that specific part saying, hey, come in, come a little bit closer. I love you, you're safe. It is true. What if, what if, you know, but also what if you just trust that if this connection is truly supposed to...

Renee (26:25)

Yes, yes, inviting it in, yeah.

Mara DeMauro (26:45)

ignite and show up in a way that's actually valuable for the both of you, that that will happen. Can you actually trust that? And that's the really, that's to me, I feel like that's the most challenging part when this all comes down to it, because I think a lot of people can't identify what their gut is saying and then what the fears and anxiety is, but the action step of what to do.

Renee (26:53)

Right. The trusting it.

Mara DeMauro (27:16)

if you don't have a trust that you're going to be okay and that then you get really like screwed up in your head, man.

Renee (27:25)

Yeah, back and forth. There's that back and forth. So when you can kind of release and relinquish and give it up to the knowing and the trusting that the universe, God, whatever it is that you believe in has your back and has had your back up until this point, then it gets really back and forth up there.

Mara DeMauro (27:47)

Yeah. And I feel like we haven't really talked about the topic of like, you know, having faith or things like that too much on here. and the thing is like, sure, everything can be made up, you know, but it's like, okay, but if it like, who cares if it's made up, if it actually helps you live a more easeful calm.

Renee (27:55)

Mmm.

Mara DeMauro (28:12)

peaceful life doesn't mean it's all rainbows and fucking butterflies and there aren't challenges, like of course there are, you know, but yeah, it's just, it's like this like, just surrendering to like, man, who knows how long we're here? Like, I'm not here to fight. I'm not here to grip. Like, I'm here to be open and like.

Renee (28:19)

Yeah.

Mm.

Mara DeMauro (28:35)

and have these experiences that enrich our souls and help us learn and connect with people. And, you know, so many people just are lacking that, that space to be seen, you know, it's like, there's just, there's just a lot of fear and I do not want to contribute to that fear, you know? And so by gripping someone who is potentially not ready to engage with me,

Renee (28:56)

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (29:02)

or whoever, you know, it's like, well, just let them be and live their life and let them go. Like, and if it's meant to come back around and if not, that's okay. soften, open, love, like as a fucking crunchy or whatever you want to say. Like, I don't care. I'm like, dude, kumbaya, bitch.

Renee (29:12)

Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. I don't.

⁓ God, bitch. shit. Well, I think that's

also like, it all ties back into something else that I feel like we've been talking about lately, which goes along with this is like the integration of all of these things for that release, because you mentioned, of course there are challenges. Of course there are tests and things that we go through in life that are.

sad and that we have to grieve and we have to go through that we wouldn't necessarily choose for ourselves. But if we can meet it with the acceptance and the integration of understanding that it is a part of you and you welcome it instead of, you know, it's that opposite factor of like instead of the resistance of like, shit, what's wrong with me? Why can't I do this?

Mara DeMauro (29:57)

Mm-hmm.

Renee (30:18)

Why am I so anxious? Why, why, why, why? It's like, welcome that shit in, have a little more space and openness to understand that it's a mechanism that we all have as humans and to let it flow and kind of have this integration into your everyday life and that you're safe and that you talk to yourself.

through these things because I think at the end of the day, you grow through it. It's the only way to kind of like, I feel like find true happiness and not be so hard on yourself and really enjoy life and bring joy and creativity and just like the fun shit back into your life when we can.

Mara DeMauro (31:07)

Amazing.

Renee (31:11)

sort of use these more challenging emotions to our advantage.

Mara DeMauro (31:16)

Yeah. Like a catalyst. yeah, I was going to say like this October. Yeah. October will be three years. Alcohol free, which is crazy. who's counting? No one's counting. But you know, seriously, like, because it's something I don't really think of often, but

Renee (31:28)

I know.

Mara DeMauro (31:35)

You know, this is we'll get into this another time, but I was at a bar for a friend's birthday this past weekend and someone I was like, can I get you a drink? And, know, and then they stopped and like, wait, are you sober? And I was like, I was like, like, I didn't know how to answer because I don't identify as sober. ⁓ You know, people ask me the same shit about food stuff, too. Are you vegan or you vegetarian? And I'm like, I'm just like, I don't I'm like,

Renee (31:55)

Yeah.

I don't know.

Mara DeMauro (32:03)

I haven't had a, like it's like, okay, do I really open my notebook and be like, all right, so I haven't had a full glass of alcohol, but I have had a couple sips of my friend's cocktails, ⁓ but I haven't been intoxicated in three years. like, it means different things to different people. And so I was just like, no, I'm good. And it wasn't because I was nervous to say I don't drink. It was because I genuinely like.

Renee (32:17)

Right.

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (32:30)

I was like, I don't know.

Renee (32:33)

Well, it's so insignificant now that it's like, don't even, you don't even like think about it. So.

Mara DeMauro (32:35)

Exactly. like, right. Like,

But my bigger point to that is that

I just feel like it has, like, I have felt, I feel like I have felt all the emotions of my lifetime in these past three years in such an intense way and in different layers and different levels than I have in the past. And I just, you know, and I've learned so much and I've cried a lot.

I've laughed a lot and I've pondered a lot and I feel like my biggest, you know, just like takeaway to someone who is interested in learning more about their inner world so that they can also accept others, you know, even deeper and with more love and compassion is that just to not like, like it's okay to feel like just allow yourself to feel.

Renee (33:35)

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (33:38)

And, you know, any, any moment that comes up where you start to like check out or feel afraid, ask yourself, why are so afraid to feel?

and let the energy and light move through you and connect you to others is kind of like my thing right now.

Renee (33:48)

Yeah.

Yeah,

it's so much of a flow in a dance and it's... I can't put my finger on it. I like the word integration because I feel like it's something that you embody and that you continue to move through. It's not like you just do one thing and then that's it. It's like...

a ripple effect. It's a continuation. It's ongoing life long. Yeah. And it's exciting because you begin to just unlock so many different levels that you may not even be aware of. Different levels of your consciousness, of your feelings, of

Mara DeMauro (34:29)

forever.

Renee (34:49)

your capabilities. I mean, it just opens up this entire chapter of what your possibilities are. And when we can begin to think more on that level of abundance and galactically and just it just opens up so much shit, like good shit, bad shit and good shit. Like it's just it's all it's all so

It is such a journey. know? Yeah. Uh, cool.

Mara DeMauro (35:19)

Here we are.

Yeah. Do you want to talk about

what we have exciting coming up in October?

Renee (35:29)

Yes sober sober October no spirits required.

Mara DeMauro (35:34)

Subber, subber. Dude, sorry.

Someone just told me, I've never heard this before. Someone just told me the other day, they're like, oh yeah, we're entering the burr month. So was like, what are you talking about? They're like September, October, November, December. I was like, I've literally never heard that. I live under a rock. also don't come at me. I just learned that Vera Wang is a person.

Renee (35:58)

Yeah.

Mara.

Mara DeMauro (36:01)

Nah,

dude, dude, I did not know that it was an- I did not know it was a fucking name.

Renee (36:05)

What?

Like what did you think it was before? a brand?

Mara DeMauro (36:11)

Like, like

a, like a brand. Yeah. Just like a, just like we're yes. Nice. And then Carlene, my friend was like, dude, yeah. Like Michael Kors, Ralph Lauren. I was like, okay, I understand that. But I didn't know. Like, and then I saw like a random picture of her at the U S open. I was like, what? I was like, I live under a fucking rock.

Renee (36:14)

Like Haagen-Dazs, it's not like a person.

That's her!

Mara DeMauro (36:35)

But I was like, that is so fucking dope. had no idea. That's so cool. I'm being enlightened. I now know who Vera Wang is. And we also have Sober October coming up. So like, join us.

Renee (36:35)

It's Vera.

Like life is good.

Sober October and Vera Wang. shit. Yeah, you should actually, have you read about her story? She like started her company when she was like in her 40s or something. She started Vera Wang. Yeah, see anything's possible y'all. I know she's fucking cool. I love Vera Wang. I'm so happy for you. Vera Wang.

Mara DeMauro (36:52)

No.

Dude. Yeah, she looks like a badass.

Renee (37:05)

⁓ Yeah, so Sober October, we're super stoked. We'll have something up on our website in the coming week or so. And it is a challenge where, you know, you can reduce alcohol, you can remove alcohol, whatever kind of your goal is for the month, but we'll have, what are we, like three calls where we'll have like almost this group coaching ⁓ sessions with either both of us or one of us.

We've got journal prompts, we've got different ways to track your goals, we've got so many different things like access to really good resources, like all the fucking things in October. my God, you guys, I'm so excited about this because we, and that's something else about this, just this community in general.

Mara DeMauro (37:46)

Dope prize packet.

Renee (37:56)

Everybody is so great and giving and it's like, we just want to spread the joy and the happiness through this lifestyle of like, you know, choosing yourself. And so, yeah, I'm so stoked on this prize back. It's going to be worth like, it's valued at something like 400 bucks. So we'll unveil kind of what's included in that. So if you join us for Sober October, you will be entered in, you know, a random drawing at the end of it to

Mara DeMauro (37:58)

Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

Renee (38:25)

See if you can win this prize. There's so many great things. And it's all stuff that we either have or have tried, a lot of non-alcohol beverages, merch, books, different things in there. So yeah, I'm really, really stoked on that.

Mara DeMauro (38:39)

Yes, amazing. Follow us on Instagram at Nosedive Co.

Renee (38:42)

Yeah.

at Nose Dive Co. And then you can follow me at coach underscore r Adams and Mara. Where can they find you?

Mara DeMauro (38:53)

Mara Di Maro. Keep sending in your requests.

Renee (38:55)

Sick. All right, y'all. Till next time.

Yeah. ⁓ yeah. That's a good thing too. You can view us on YouTube as well if you just wanna see our faces instead just listening to us. But yeah, keep sending in your requests. We really love being able to bring you information that sparks joy and really like is a catalyst for you guys and how we can help you navigate certain situations through.

Mara DeMauro (39:09)

you

Renee (39:22)

this lifestyle. So keep sending it our way info at Nosediveco.com and all this is going to be in our show notes. So all right, y'all till next time. Bye.

Mara DeMauro (39:31)

We'll see you next time. Thanks for tuning in. Bye.