The Moon Made Me Do It!

In this episode, we are talking about the FULL MOON, how it pushes us to take aligned action and of course the journey of self-discovery. Our energy shifts so much during full moons, we can all feel it, and it's usually a time where we embrace vulnerability and hone in on our intuition to understand what we need to do, to JUST DO IT. We talk through the challenges of feeling dull in the gray area of drinking, the process of shedding layers to finally take steps to action, and the significance of creating safe spaces for oneself. 

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Transcript

Mara DeMauro (00:01)
Hey, welcome back to Nosedive. This is Mara and Renee. Happy to be here as usual. Hi, Renee, how are you?

Renee (00:11)
Hello, doing good.

Mara DeMauro (00:11)
Sweet.

Happy Friday. Today's a Friday when we're recording this. So that's exciting, I guess. ⁓ And today we just wanted to, we were inspired by the full moon. That was the, how our topic came up. ⁓ Full moons, there's just something about it. You know, like you just look in the sky and you're like, Holy cow. Like it is just illuminating. You know, it's, really to ignore something that, that magnificent.

Renee (00:18)
yeah.

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (00:41)
and it's pretty cool happens every month. ⁓ I am not at all an astrologer by any means. ⁓ but I know that, ⁓ full moons, ⁓ if you're into just having, you know, certain rituals of letting go, that just doesn't serve you anymore. ⁓ typically that's what full moons are used for. And, ⁓ this full moon happens to be a.

and if that means anything to you, that's amazing. You should probably let me know more, but what I do know about that is that it's about taking aligned action. And so today we were like, yeah, we should talk about some things that maybe we have been kind of collecting inspiration for a while, and it's like, you know what? You just gotta do the damn thing now. You just gotta do it. Just go.

⁓ you know, taking that actual aligned action. So, ⁓ yeah, we were excited to talk about how, being in this sober curious space and having a little bit more clarity allows you to think, you know, kind of be in your head about all the things, you know, things come clear, you know, kind of what you want to do and where you want to go and how you want to do them.

But there is then that next step of actually doing it. And that can be really hard. ⁓ We've talked about this. We're super real with you all. Just because you decide to go alcohol free or sober-ish for a while doesn't mean that just your whole life becomes rainbows and butterflies. That's not what this is about. It's about being human and actually feeling all the things.

that human experience can bring to you and how you can keep learning from it and growing from it and being curious about this wild ride of life. So, Ney, do you wanna share kinda what's been in your realm and on this topic of Aligned Action?

Renee (02:53)
Yeah, for sure. And I think something else too that I just learned recently from Dr. Tara Swart, shout out. She's like one of my idols. So if this ever gets to her at some point, my God, I'd be, it's so enthralled. Anyways, ⁓ she was talking about how ⁓ full moons and how obviously like the tides go with the full moons, but also there is this energetic

Mara DeMauro (03:07)
haha

Renee (03:21)
shift that happens with us as humans because we are made up of water. So like the percentage that our bodies are made up of water, that's why there's such this like pull and this energetic feeling when it comes to full moons and like the phases of the moon. So that's something that I just learned recently that I was like, Holy shit, no wonder that makes sense why we feel a certain way when full moons kind of come around in that energetic shift that we feel.

Mara DeMauro (03:44)
Yeah.

Renee (03:50)
in our bodies. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Something that happens that's completely outside of our control and yet we all feel it together in certain ways. It's just sort of mind blowing. to go back to the topic of what we're talking about here. yeah, recently for me, something that I have been toying with for

Mara DeMauro (03:51)
So cool.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Renee (04:18)
quite some time is starting a sub stack. And for those of you who don't know, guess what sub stack is, I don't even know how to describe it. I guess it's for like creators, writers to have, it's like a blog essentially, ⁓ which I feel like is a throwback to early 2000s. And since I was probably, I don't know, maybe at middle school, my grandmother,

Mara DeMauro (04:22)
Hmm.

Hmph.

Renee (04:46)
is actually the one who instilled in me to start journaling and start writing. I always wanted to be a journalist when I was growing up. And it's funny in my first, sub stack I even talk about, or in the about me section, I talk about how like think Rory Gilmore from the Gilmore Girls. Like that was my sort of trajectory and life that I wanted to emulate. I wanted to be a journalist, a writer, like writing for

Mara DeMauro (04:54)
Yeah.

Renee (05:14)
a magazine or write a book or whatever kind of unfolded for me. And so yeah, my grandma instilled this in me. So I've been writing since middle school, essentially up all the way until my adult life. And I think that's how I've journaled and how I've written has changed a lot since I was 12 to now I'm in my 30s. So yeah, this has just been something. Yes.

Mara DeMauro (05:41)
You are-

Renee (05:43)
I know, can you believe it? ⁓ God, what the fuck? ⁓ I know. ⁓ But yeah, it's something that I just has kind of been in the back of my mind. have been a little scared, honestly, to start, one, start something else on top of just everything else that I'm doing, ⁓ adding on to the list of responsibilities that I have. But I think what's different here in taking this action is,

Mara DeMauro (05:46)
It's awesome!

Renee (06:11)
taking that step for something that I wanted for myself, for me. Like, yes, the whole intent behind starting this sub stack, it's called This Might Help, is to help other people. But it's mainly about topics and things that I like and that I've taken and tips that I've gotten along the way just in my life and things that I think might help other people. ultimately, what it comes down to is this is something that I've

Mara DeMauro (06:15)
Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Renee (06:40)
I have wanted to do for myself is this forum of being vulnerable on writing about topics and in the tone and in the way that I want. And I think it's, it's feels a little cringe like coming out like this is I'm giving myself permission to do this thing for myself, for me and only for me really. I really hope that it does help other people. And of course I want people to

Mara DeMauro (06:50)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Renee (07:09)
to read and like and all that stuff, like all the, ⁓ I guess, kind of ego parts of those things. taking that next step to really make that happen. And it's so funny, my first actual piece that I wrote, I was writing it and my husband comes in the room and was like, my God, you've written that much stuff already? And it had only been like, I don't know, like 30 minutes. I'm like, yeah.

Mara DeMauro (07:33)
You

Renee (07:37)
So I think that there's like that piece to it too, especially, guess, tying it back into sort of this sober curiosity and kind of removing elements that dull those senses. Like, I don't know. No, I do know. If I was drinking like how I was, I wouldn't have taken the step to do this for myself. And... ⁓

Mara DeMauro (07:50)
Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Renee (08:04)
It's a really great feeling to be in that flow state. I get and I understand now what that flow state means. When people talk about, being in kind of your zone of genius or being in that flow state or you look up and it's like hours later. I didn't really understand that when people talked about that. I understood the concept of it, but that had never really

Mara DeMauro (08:13)
Mm.

Renee (08:33)
happened organically for me. I don't have an issue with focusing. I don't have an issue with being productive. Or at least I don't, know, it's probably, I think I just heard the other day that Mel Robbins was just diagnosed with ADHD at this stage in her life. And she's like naming off all of these things. I'm like, oh shit, maybe I am too, but.

Mara DeMauro (08:40)
What's that like?

We

you

Renee (08:59)
Anyways,

being in that flow state, was just, I get that on a different level now and I think it's such a beautiful thing because if I hadn't taken that step, if I hadn't gone out of that comfort zone of ⁓ wanting to do something for myself because solely and 100 % something that I wanted to do for me, I don't know if I would have known what a flow state really means.

Mara DeMauro (09:07)
Yeah.

Yeah,

yeah. No, that's amazing. There's some reason like I wrote down and I like circled a lot the word dull because I feel like that word itself is just such a good word to describe.

Renee (09:32)
Mmm.

Mara DeMauro (09:41)
Like if you are in a space that's kind of like the in-between, the sober, like if you're a gray area drinker, you drink sometimes, like, you know, there's this, there's just kind of like this layer of like dullness that becomes so normal. And it's not until like you have given yourself space that you actually can see the difference. And it's so tricky, you know, because

And I feel like that's been kind of a challenge on this journey for me in connecting with other people and guiding people through a sober curious journey or whatever. It's like this trying to like, not convince someone, but essentially like, you know, if you're not like facing all these consequences in your life, you know, say for example,

someone who isn't gaining a bunch of weight to be like, hey, maybe you should also just try to like, eat more vegetables and fruits and stuff in your diet. You know what I mean? it's, and someone would be like, well, why do I gotta do that? I'm fine the way I am now, you know, like it's just hard to really help people see and know that there will be benefits in making a change. ⁓ But for some reason that that word dull just like really brought that up for me. like, you know,

Renee (10:42)
Yeah.

Yeah, it's like this, I don't know, I'm trying to think of something to relate it to that's like, I'm thinking of like a film. It's almost like this like foggy sort of film, this layer on top of like you said, this layer on top of like, the good parts that just sort of like sits there and waiting until you kind of

Mara DeMauro (11:13)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Renee (11:29)
scrub

it clean, you know what I mean? Like get that film off and sort of take the veil off and see that part.

Mara DeMauro (11:32)
Yeah.

Like when you get a new phone and you know how there's that like clear or like a TV or something and it's like, it's fine. Yeah. And then I'm like, no, like my mom, it's been there for years. I'm like, it off. And then she was like, ⁓ my gosh. You know, it's like the same like satisfaction. ⁓ because like you said, you, you've had this opportunity to like meet yourself in a new place, like, cause you have the clarity of like, I want to do this. I'm scared to do this thing.

Renee (11:39)
Yes. And you peel that layer off.

Kill the layer off.

Mara DeMauro (12:06)
Like, but I want to do it and I want to do it and I want to do it. And then you took action because again, it really comes down to like, we can really stay in that circular momentum thought process. Like, oh, I want to do this and this is how I could do it. And this is what I would do if I did this. But I'm just like at a point in my life right now where I'm like, I'm so annoyed of hearing myself saying I'm gonna do something or, you know, I'm like, I just need to do it.

Renee (12:32)
Mm.

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (12:36)
So,

and that, I mean, that's the million dollar freaking slogan right there, just do it.

Renee (12:43)
Yeah. Well, do you

feel like so in relation to sort of this like stripping and the buck moon and the new moon of like growing the new antlers or whatever and like shedding the old ones, do you feel like you does it like shedding? Yeah. Growing back out.

Mara DeMauro (12:56)
That kind of grosses me out.

like shedding and then like antlers growing in like

that really gives me the ebogbz.

Renee (13:06)
Maybe I shouldn't abuse

that. Maybe I shouldn't use that one. But you know, just like shedding that, that the layer that we're talking about, do you feel like you have to in some sense shed some of that in order to be able to take that action? Like before even getting to that step? Or do feel like it's like simultaneous or I don't know.

Mara DeMauro (13:29)
Yeah.

I mean, if you're asking me personally, ⁓ cause I think it's different, you know, everyone's process is different. ⁓ but I definitely think I have found over the past, I don't know, two something years, ⁓ that

Renee (13:33)
Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (13:53)
Slowing down is good and I think making smart decisions is also nice. But I just really feel like if I know something in my gut, do it, go. I don't need to fucking wait and keep thinking and thinking. Right, if I can feel it, for me, that means I know it, then I go. But I have spent

Renee (14:12)
Think about it forever, yeah.

Mara DeMauro (14:23)
so much time going inward, which I think has been really nice and very good. ⁓ But with that has come almost like doubting, like mistrusting myself or something, or like doubting like, should I do that? Or am I like, yeah, or am I just trying to escape because of da-da-da-da-da? And I'm like...

Renee (14:37)
Mmm.

overthinking.

Dude, it's like when I came to visit and we were in the grocery store and I was buying that because I forgot my face wash or whatever and I was between two of them. And I was like, ⁓ you know, I'm thinking I want this but I'm reading the ingredients in this and then you held them both up. like, which one do you want? And I was like, that one. You're like, okay.

Mara DeMauro (14:56)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Like get that one.

Renee (15:09)
It's kind of,

yeah, yeah, it's kind of like the same principle. You have to kind of like pull the trigger at some point. You're like, have to fucking do the thing. Like, do the thing.

Mara DeMauro (15:17)
Yeah.

Yeah. And again, like I do think people operate differently, but I know for me, if I'm not, I'm very experimental and I feel like I learned through doing and through experimenting, I can't go forward if I don't do those things. Like I just, I just keep looping in my head, but for some people it's not like that, you know, and I think it's important to figure out, well, you know, kind of what.

Renee (15:37)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (15:46)
work works for you and then also to be open to trying new things. So something that I am, I've really been wanting to do is to take another trip to Hawaii and one of my mom's best friend, she's Hawaiian and she lives out there and she was like, you know, you can come stay with me. And I was like, I would love to just like go back because the last times I've been, I didn't really surf that much.

Renee (15:50)
Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (16:16)
And I'm like, I just want to surf like a good wave, like a fun, small, rolly wave. ⁓ I would love to volunteer on a farm. ⁓ You know, just have some space from like my everyday to day to day life. ⁓ I feel like being in that environment is very...

Renee (16:19)
Yeah, yeah, right.

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (16:45)
What's it called? Like inspiring for me. And I don't know. I don't think like one I've never traveled alone. Obviously I know, like I do know a couple of people out there. So that that's nice. Like I have a landing place. ⁓ And I can obviously, you know, English is language. Like, so there aren't like huge barriers or anything, but it is far for me and it's different.

Renee (17:01)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's different though, dude. Traveling by yourself is

different. Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (17:15)
Yeah.

And so I just like, I just feel like it's something that I have really been wanting to do for myself. Like you said. and yeah, I'm like, okay, I started today, like the process of, I'm like, okay, first things first. I need to find someone, you know, dog care, like, you know, so that that's been interesting. ⁓ first step. ⁓

Renee (17:36)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. And then that's the thing, though, like you have to, there's different stages of taking the action. Like, of course, it's not just like for some things, like for me, like, just getting on there and creating the page. Like you hone in on it, you do other things as you continue. But they're like, and for you, it's maybe a longer process.

but you are with that intention taking that first step in order to start that domino effect to be able to get yourself there, like to make it happen. And another example is like when my husband and I want to travel somewhere, because we do this all the time too. We're like, oh, we would love to go to such and such. We would love to go and whatever. So what we try to do is, try, try to do is,

Mara DeMauro (18:19)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

He.

Renee (18:38)
buy the ticket to where we're going to and then figure out all the other stuff later. So while that's a little different in terms of the steps, quote unquote, we buy the ticket so that we're like, okay, well, we're going. We buy the ticket, now we gotta go and now we gotta figure out everything else. So whatever that thing is for you, figure out what that first step is. If it's starting a business, it's finding the name.

Mara DeMauro (18:42)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Right, now you've gotta figure it out.

Renee (19:07)
Okay, cool. If it is, you know, starting a website, getting on fucking Squarespace and just making the thing, nobody, this is like a hard truth for me. Nobody's searching for your shit. Okay. So like nobody at first. So just get it out there, get it out there, do the thing, buy the ticket, like more and more as I hear the wisdom from different generations that are older than us.

Mara DeMauro (19:16)
Hmm... Yeah!

Yeah.

Renee (19:37)
or even like shit, even younger than us. I feel like they've got it kind of down pat too, where it's like, I'm gonna follow my alliance, you know, ⁓ is to do the thing. They know the lingo. It's just like do the thing. it's like this, and maybe you have like some insights on this. It's like, why do we feel like a rock sometimes?

Mara DeMauro (19:45)
Right. They know the lingo.

Renee (20:06)
just kind of like not even stuck, but just like compact in this little thing and like, I don't know. Do you hear what I'm saying?

Mara DeMauro (20:08)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, 100%.

⁓ I think there's something about that feeling is linked to this false sense of control, of the known, of what to do. It's like concrete, I know this. It's so simple, but it also is so challenging to be open and easeful. ⁓

Renee (20:35)
Mmm.

Mara DeMauro (20:49)
And I, I'm just like constantly trying to remind myself or counteract my thoughts. Like when I start to spiral or I start to fixate on something or someone else and what they're doing that has nothing to do with me. I'm like, bring it back, bring it back. Like to me, okay, Mara, we're going to acknowledge that person. They're doing what they want to do. Da da da. Okay. So what about you? What do you want to do?

Renee (21:16)
Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (21:17)
You know, how do you want to feel right now? I want to feel easeful. Okay. I want to feel easeful in this moment. Calm, soft, easeful. Like I'm literally constantly talking to myself and trying to re, you know, like calibrate and, kind of like, what's it called? Nurture myself in a way to soften that, that hard, like concrete rock feeling. Cause I definitely can feel that a lot.

Renee (21:33)
Yeah.

Yeah, totally.

Mara DeMauro (21:47)
something's, this is like so silly. And if you're listening, I hope this kind of makes you laugh, but like sometimes I'll be laying in bed and I'm like, okay, like just hugging myself. I'm like, okay, Mara, you know, like I love you. You're safe. You're safe. You know, and, and like, I don't know why this is so weird, but the other day I had, I just kept saying my name over and over out loud was like Mara.

Renee (22:00)
Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (22:17)
Mara? Mara? And I'm like, this is so weird. But the next day, my mom sends me a picture of this TV show that she's watching and her name is Mary. And in the TV show, the captions, it said Mary Mara. And I was just like, it's so weird. So these synchronicities that happen for us or we're kind of talking about intuition to listen to what

Renee (22:37)
What?

Mara DeMauro (22:46)
It is that we really want to do and then to take aligned action and just finding that that one little step and then start to tune in and pay attention to like the things that happen around that just are fun. You know, maybe you, you see something that's like, I love like little signy signs, you know, it's fun. It's like, Oh, cool. Like it doesn't have to have this crazy, huge meaning for you if that's not your thing. But if it brings a smile and it helps elevate.

Renee (23:00)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (23:15)
how you feel, then who the heck cares? Like, have fun with it.

Renee (23:20)
Yeah, I can't believe that again, the synchronicities is just crazy. Because you were saying how recently you're just kind of.

not self-soothing, but self-nurturing. And that's something that I've been doing recently is in these scenarios where I feel out of control or I feel that sort of wave of overwhelm or overthinking or thinking of all the things that I want to do or have to do, get to do, ⁓ I say to myself, like, you are safe. You are safe.

Mara DeMauro (23:50)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Renee (23:56)
you are in this space, like nothing is going to happen. This is all you're doing. And you also have the power to take that back and make yourself at ease. So it's so funny that you say that because recently that is something that I have been actively and intentionally been telling myself that like, this is your safe space or even like, ⁓

Mara DeMauro (24:00)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Renee (24:20)
I've been using a lot of manifestation, sort of visualization, meditation type of things lately and going to a safe space. Not only just telling myself, okay, you're fine, you're in a safe space, but also kind of venturing to my happy place, like Happy Gilmore. You know what saying? When he's like, to your happy place when you putt. And it's like this event like.

Mara DeMauro (24:27)
Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Renee (24:48)
angelic scene or whatever. it's like, so I've kind of built that for myself in my head of what is that one kind of place for you? Like, is it a nature, even though you can't go outside right now? Is it like by a cozy fire reading a book in some cabin and wherever, ⁓ you know, so just

Mara DeMauro (24:56)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Mm What is your what

is your cozy space look like?

Renee (25:11)
Mine is in a sort of like log-ish cabin in the mountains with like a huge ⁓ window that looks out to the mountains and it's in the fall. So I can see all the like fall foliage with a, this is like super specific. anyways, ⁓ in front of a stone, stone like brick whatever fireplace with a fire going.

Mara DeMauro (25:38)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Renee (25:41)
in a comfy little seat with a best book and tea. And that is my happy place that I go to. And I'm like, ugh.

Mara DeMauro (25:45)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. That sounds so cozy. My gosh. Get me a comfy couch and I'll be there. Hmm. There's something else. it was funny how you said your grandma introduced you to journaling and that was a synchronicity. I wrote that down, um, as well, because my, used to spend the summers with my grandma.

Renee (25:54)
Yeah, yeah.



Mara DeMauro (26:20)
And she would buy me a journal every summer. at nighttime, I would, she would say like, write down what you did every day. ⁓ my gosh. She gave me my journals probably like a year ago or something. ⁓ my God. They're so bad. Like I'm like, today I woke up and I went to the pool. Then I took a shower. Then my cousins came over and I ate dinner. The next day.

Renee (26:38)
Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (26:47)
Today I woke up and went to the pool. I'm like, that's like, it's just, it's just so, it's so funny. It's really, it's really sweet. But ⁓ I, I have noticed, cause you're talking about flow state, that the times where I have truly lost track of time is when I'm writing too. ⁓ And it happens like, it's something like I can't just turn it on.

Renee (27:11)
Mmm.

Mara DeMauro (27:17)
⁓ it happened randomly and I'll be up all night, like writing. And I'm like, and I love when it happens because it's such a cool feeling because you feel like you can just like, it's just happening naturally and you're just going and you're not trying, you're not forcing, but I'm like, damn, like there's so many things that I wish I could just like take this moment. Like how come I can't just do that with other things?

Renee (27:45)
Yeah,

yeah. Well, I think it's too like just how our everyday life is structured by the means of society and time and a clock and the things that we kind of have to do to survive doesn't really allow for that space to happen as naturally as we would like. So like it comes up in sort of random times where you have

Mara DeMauro (27:58)
you

Renee (28:15)
that quiet space where it kind of just like comes on on its own. And maybe that's another thing that like is a part of the intuition and following those things that those aligned actions that you feel so called to do. Maybe that's a piece of it to get more to that flow state. Because I do have a sense of that in working out too. Like when I exercise and stuff, it's like one of only times that I that my mind is fully at ease.

Mara DeMauro (28:21)
Right.

Hmm.

Renee (28:45)
because I'm not thinking about anything else. am like expressing this thing that gives me so much joy that like I could spend so much time doing and not even know how long it's been. Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (28:46)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's cool. And I think like having conversations with like clients or even friends, kind of having, you know, just compassion for yourself as you try to find and figure out what kind of gets you into that space and to be kind of playful and experimental because yeah, it's kind of frustrating when you're like, I don't

Renee (29:19)
Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (29:26)
have any hobbies or I don't know or you know, it's like, I'm always thinking there's not time where I'm super, super present. like, you know, be like, that's okay. You know, if you enjoy that moment and do your best to like, be mindful and be present and set yourself up for success, you know, if it's like doing all the little things you need to do, like putting your phone aside or putting it on silent mode and

You know, maybe if it's something you know, you're not going to want to do when the time comes, but it's something that you really want to do, you know, like pick out the outfit you're going to wear to do it in before and set it up the day before, like have parameters set in place to kind of help guide you to do the thing. ⁓ and then allow yourself to do it and see, you know, what the takeaway is afterwards. So it's not always easy.

Renee (30:17)
Right,

no, and that's something that especially when I was drinking more heavily is I felt that exact same way. Like I felt like I didn't have anything like that. I didn't understand what it meant to have something that you're passionate about. And I felt very lost in that feeling. So if you are feeling like that, like...

That's okay. You're definitely not the only one. And to give yourself the time and space to try and get as clear as you can. Because when you get into that state and when you can exercise that muscle to where you're you can even hear your own thoughts about what you even want. And I think it comes back to my piece of advice to and going through all of this is really honing in on your why. Like, why are you doing the things that you do? Why are you wanting to kind of

make more space for X, Y, Z. Why are you wanting to take that in line action for that one thing or going to Hawaii or doing the substack or whatever it is? Because whenever you can sit down and really answer that question, it gives you more of a perspective on that voice, on that intuition, on your intention.

Mara DeMauro (31:32)
Yeah. Beautifully said. Yeah. I don't know. It's such an interesting topic. I'm just kind of thinking about everything we've talked about today because we started with full moon stuff and then intuition stuff and then taking a line to action and signe signs and your whys. And it's kind of cool because when you zoom out, you can see how

Renee (31:33)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (32:01)
collectively it all together, it comes together and it's all connected and it does make sense, but it doesn't always feel like it makes sense when you're in the process of trying to figure it out. like, even now, you know, I'm like, what is life? You know, like, what am I doing? ⁓ Kind of, yeah, what? This is one huge, massive experiment. it kind of like...

Renee (32:13)
in it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (32:31)
is really trippy to think about. ⁓ And something again, you know, like I can kind of go into circular thoughts about it. And I think that can be fun and cool. And then sometimes I'm like, all right, let me get in my body because, and let me just like participate in the doing and the being rather than in the thinking because we can go so it can go on forever.

Renee (32:33)
It is.

Yes. Oof. Oof.

Yeah, it's like infinity up there. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly.

Mara DeMauro (32:57)
Yeah, infinity and beyond!

Yeah. Cool.

Renee (33:04)
Well,

yeah, I think that's all I have. Yeah.

Mara DeMauro (33:07)
Yeah.

Yeah, awesome. ⁓ Nay, where can people find ya?

Renee (33:15)
Yeah, you can find me on Instagram at Coach underscore Radams and of course, Nosedive at Nosedive Co. What about you?

Mara DeMauro (33:22)
cool at Mara de Morrow on the Grammy gram. And yeah, we're excited ⁓ to be here and hope this is, you know, supportive in some capacity. We would absolutely love to hear from you if there are any topics. Ooh, that just reminded me. Someone did ⁓ suggest a topic. I forgot to tell you. So the topic, so keep your eyes and ears peeled, folks. ⁓

Renee (33:33)
Yeah.

my gosh.

Mara DeMauro (33:51)
The topic of, gosh, I can't believe I forgot this. what is sober? Kind of like to different people, you know, and ⁓ Kali's sober versus like psychedelics or alcohol, you know, all the different substances and topics ⁓ because she, yeah, she herself is alcohol free. I think she is totally sober. ⁓

Renee (34:00)
Mmm.

Okay, cool.

Mara DeMauro (34:20)
from all the substances, I'm not sure. Um, but, uh, she was like, I thought, you know, back in my day, I thought like, if you said sober, it meant from everything. And then she's like, then I found out this person, um, you know, smoke sweet, which is fine, but I just, I didn't know. It's just an interesting conversation. So we can definitely note that and dive into that topic for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Renee (34:22)
Yeah.

Yeah, same.

Yeah.

Cool. Yeah, absolutely. I'd love to can't wait to and also just

a reminder. We have our sip happens workshop that's coming up on the 22nd at 7pm Eastern. The link to sign up for that is going to be in our show notes and it's going to be really fun. It's just going to be a time where you have our undivided attention where Mar and I really just talk about.

things like that, like what Sober is and what Sober Curious is and just different tools and things that we picked up along the way that you can start implementing or just start kind of mulling over and see how that plays into your life and just a chance for you to ask us any questions sort of one-on-one. So I'm really excited for that. That's next week, or no, two weeks from now, two weeks from now. So ⁓ yeah, I'm really stoked for that.

Mara DeMauro (35:31)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Woo. All right, let's get it, y'all. All right, cheers, toodles.

Renee (35:38)
Cool dude. Well, until next time. Bye.